Comments on: Ubuntu is dying , Debian Lenny is the Future! http://umanga.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/ubuntu-is-dying-debian-lenny-is-the-future/ look to the master,follow the master,walk with the master,see through the master,become the master... Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:05:50 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: ... http://umanga.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/ubuntu-is-dying-debian-lenny-is-the-future/#comment-85 ... Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:45:16 +0000 http://umanga.wordpress.com/?p=35#comment-85 Also, come to think of it: I use linux as a free gaming system with thousands of free games right now. If an easy to use linux games directory/installer was made, the communities could advertise about how, by adding Linux to your system, you can get thousands, or probably millions of free games of various quality. All you need is a desktop and an internet connection. That would get Linux on many systems since gamers tend to know the most about computers in the average family. Then, by bundleling in open office, the switch to there would be much more easy... Also, come to think of it:

I use linux as a free gaming system with thousands of free games right now. If an easy to use linux games directory/installer was made, the communities could advertise about how, by adding Linux to your system, you can get thousands, or probably millions of free games of various quality. All you need is a desktop and an internet connection.

That would get Linux on many systems since gamers tend to know the most about computers in the average family. Then, by bundleling in open office, the switch to there would be much more easy…

]]> By: ... http://umanga.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/ubuntu-is-dying-debian-lenny-is-the-future/#comment-84 ... Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:36:52 +0000 http://umanga.wordpress.com/?p=35#comment-84 I guess you could call me a noobie. Thing is, I have to run MS office 2007 on my system. I can't have a single filetype related compatibility issue. It would me too much a risk to my grades. Basically, the only thing that is going to keep me in the Windows or Mac world is MS Office. Although, I everyone started to use odf format then I would switch to Linux pernamentaly. I'm thinking of contacting MS and asking for them to start making versions for Linux. If enough people do that they will respond, as they have in the past. It just needs to happen at the same time. I guess you could call me a noobie.

Thing is, I have to run MS office 2007 on my system. I can’t have a single filetype related compatibility issue. It would me too much a risk to my grades.

Basically, the only thing that is going to keep me in the Windows or Mac world is MS Office. Although, I everyone started to use odf format then I would switch to Linux pernamentaly. I’m thinking of contacting MS and asking for them to start making versions for Linux. If enough people do that they will respond, as they have in the past. It just needs to happen at the same time.

]]> By: pagan1 http://umanga.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/ubuntu-is-dying-debian-lenny-is-the-future/#comment-82 pagan1 Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:25:35 +0000 http://umanga.wordpress.com/?p=35#comment-82 so doing a squid or ssh server config in Ubuntu is easier and less in depth than Lenny .... Ummm maybe its harder to install programs in Lenny ...Ummm same girl different knicker,s i thought... Ubuntu is a great OS and its growing popularity surely shows this ...debian for my servers and a nice cutting edge OS like Ubuntu for my desktop ..... so doing a squid or ssh server config in Ubuntu is easier and less in depth than Lenny …. Ummm maybe its harder to install programs in Lenny …Ummm same girl different knicker,s i thought… Ubuntu is a great OS and its growing popularity surely shows this …debian for my servers and a nice cutting edge OS like Ubuntu for my desktop …..

]]> By: Steve http://umanga.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/ubuntu-is-dying-debian-lenny-is-the-future/#comment-81 Steve Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:55:03 +0000 http://umanga.wordpress.com/?p=35#comment-81 Imho, as of version 5.0.2., lenny sucks in terms of ease of setup. After two days I still could not work around several problems, including installing a well-known wireless driver, gdm start behavior, and keymapping. My lan (!) adapter (not wlan!) is not working. I haven't even yet started to fiddle with audio and multimedia stuff. Nearly all of these have been working out of the box on Ubuntu since at least Gutsy. Debian configuration is still all but simple if you run into problems. Knowing your Linux basics won't help, if you are not actually a DEBIAN crack who knows its ways around the particular configuration files you are pretty much doomed. I am aware that Ubuntu can be regarded as a Debian rip-off by some, but the effort they put into ease of use is well worth it, and Debian developers should not be too proud to take some of that work back into their system. Imho, as of version 5.0.2., lenny sucks in terms of ease of setup. After two days I still could not work around several problems, including installing a well-known wireless driver, gdm start behavior, and keymapping. My lan (!) adapter (not wlan!) is not working. I haven’t even yet started to fiddle with audio and multimedia stuff.

Nearly all of these have been working out of the box on Ubuntu since at least Gutsy. Debian configuration is still all but simple if you run into problems. Knowing your Linux basics won’t help, if you are not actually a DEBIAN crack who knows its ways around the particular configuration files you are pretty much doomed.

I am aware that Ubuntu can be regarded as a Debian rip-off by some, but the effort they put into ease of use is well worth it, and Debian developers should not be too proud to take some of that work back into their system.

]]> By: umanga http://umanga.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/ubuntu-is-dying-debian-lenny-is-the-future/#comment-76 umanga Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:28:18 +0000 http://umanga.wordpress.com/?p=35#comment-76 one angry Indian... ;) one angry Indian… ;)

]]> By: Arnie http://umanga.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/ubuntu-is-dying-debian-lenny-is-the-future/#comment-75 Arnie Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:20:06 +0000 http://umanga.wordpress.com/?p=35#comment-75 Well, the problem you have is that you think you are too smart. Which I believe you think you are. By saying that Ubuntu is dying, you have become one such stupid jerk who say stupid things and harm the adoption of GNU/Linux. Those who are migrating from Windows to GNU/Linux find Ubuntu to be quite friendly and your post simply shake their confidence and they can't use Debian you know that too. So, stop writing stupid blogs and get a decent understanding. Also, its FREE SOFTWARE and not open source you jack ass. I told ya, you belive you are smart which you are not. Think twice before writing such blogs, you are doing more harm to GNU/Linux than any good. Well, the problem you have is that you think you are too smart. Which I believe you think you are. By saying that Ubuntu is dying, you have become one such stupid jerk who say stupid things and harm the adoption of GNU/Linux. Those who are migrating from Windows to GNU/Linux find Ubuntu to be quite friendly and your post simply shake their confidence and they can’t use Debian you know that too. So, stop writing stupid blogs and get a decent understanding. Also, its FREE SOFTWARE and not open source you jack ass. I told ya, you belive you are smart which you are not. Think twice before writing such blogs, you are doing more harm to GNU/Linux than any good.

]]> By: chi http://umanga.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/ubuntu-is-dying-debian-lenny-is-the-future/#comment-72 chi Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:24:53 +0000 http://umanga.wordpress.com/?p=35#comment-72 hi all, two points mentioned by my fellow-writers are very important at all. one newbe needs to see, that people all over the world are working on these huge software projects (open source repositories)! so getting them to linux is important! in this respect ubuntu did a great job. and stability is the mother of deductive reasoning. deductive reasoning is the father of computer science. if you loose well defined order through bugs, ... your assumption may prove wrong and therefore your deductive reasoning as well (road to chaos man!). as the philosophy of unix states: the more (intelligent) the filesystem organized, the less efficient the algorithm has to be. getting bugs in productive systems is to require the programmer to write epic (that is very context sensitive and intelligent) code. (that is you need an elite to find solutions to local problems... and thats impossible) and now i will go and think of debian for may x32 thinkpad :) hi all,
two points mentioned by my fellow-writers are very important at all.

one newbe needs to see, that people all over the world are working on these huge software projects (open source repositories)! so getting them to linux is important! in this respect ubuntu did a great job.

and stability is the mother of deductive reasoning. deductive reasoning is the father of computer science.
if you loose well defined order through bugs, … your assumption may prove wrong and therefore your deductive reasoning as well (road to chaos man!).

as the philosophy of unix states: the more (intelligent) the filesystem organized, the less efficient the algorithm has to be.

getting bugs in productive systems is to require the programmer to write epic (that is very context sensitive and intelligent) code.
(that is you need an elite to find solutions to local problems… and thats impossible)

and now i will go and
think of debian for may x32 thinkpad :)

]]> By: Roman Voronjanski http://umanga.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/ubuntu-is-dying-debian-lenny-is-the-future/#comment-71 Roman Voronjanski Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:30:02 +0000 http://umanga.wordpress.com/?p=35#comment-71 Ubuntu is somehow a cheap copy of Debian. Simply filling the unstable main branche with the newest GNOME version and many proprietary drivers and you have Ubuntu, but, however, it's the best beginner-friendly distro for home pcs. If beginners install Debian on their pcs, they will probably notice that some hardware can't be recognized. If they have, for example, an Atheros chipset in their WLAN card, they have to browse through many web pages until they've figured out that they need to use the module-assistant to compile the madwifi-module and then modprobe to load it. Why do they have to do that if they simply want to use Linux as a desktop which can be immediately used after installation? And then, if they like Ubuntu, they will read more about it and will automatically find out that there are a lot of other Linux distros, which may better meet their needs. So, by my opinion, Ubuntu shouldn't die, although it's not the best thing. Ubuntu is somehow a cheap copy of Debian. Simply filling the unstable main branche with the newest GNOME version and many proprietary drivers and you have Ubuntu, but, however, it’s the best beginner-friendly distro for home pcs. If beginners install Debian on their pcs, they will probably notice that some hardware can’t be recognized. If they have, for example, an Atheros chipset in their WLAN card, they have to browse through many web pages until they’ve figured out that they need to use the module-assistant to compile the madwifi-module and then modprobe to load it. Why do they have to do that if they simply want to use Linux as a desktop which can be immediately used after installation? And then, if they like Ubuntu, they will read more about it and will automatically find out that there are a lot of other Linux distros, which may better meet their needs. So, by my opinion, Ubuntu shouldn’t die, although it’s not the best thing.

]]> By: sqlpython http://umanga.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/ubuntu-is-dying-debian-lenny-is-the-future/#comment-67 sqlpython Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:41:31 +0000 http://umanga.wordpress.com/?p=35#comment-67 Peter Said....... ""you’ll find Debian Lenny (etch is horrible) more pleasant for the desktop than Ubuntu 8.04"" I have been using etch for at least 1 year and it has been Great. However I have two Kubuntu 8.04 and one Kubuntu 8.10 installs they both lack the fit and finish of Debian etch. I will be installing Lenny within the week. After 15 years of using LINUX ..Caldera, Turbo, Slackware, Red Hat, Debian, SuSE, Xandros, Mepis, Kubuntu and Debian... I find stability the most important single aspect if I had to pick only one of an OS. So Debian wins. Peter Said…….
“”you’ll find Debian Lenny (etch is horrible) more pleasant for the desktop than Ubuntu 8.04″”
I have been using etch for at least 1 year and it has been Great.
However I have two Kubuntu 8.04 and one Kubuntu 8.10 installs they both lack the fit and finish of Debian etch.
I will be installing Lenny within the week.
After 15 years of using LINUX ..Caldera, Turbo, Slackware, Red Hat, Debian, SuSE, Xandros, Mepis, Kubuntu and Debian… I find stability the most important single aspect if I had to pick only one of an OS. So Debian wins.

]]> By: Rabblerouser http://umanga.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/ubuntu-is-dying-debian-lenny-is-the-future/#comment-66 Rabblerouser Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:32:20 +0000 http://umanga.wordpress.com/?p=35#comment-66 I won't go on and on about how Debian is so great but side by side on the same system Debian Lenny with KDE mops the floor against Ubuntu 8.10 in regards to perfromance on my system. I have them dual booted and I'm sold. I'm getting Slackware-like performance out of this thing! Back to Debian for me. I was out after Potato but I'm back. Dated software and snotty freedom zealots be damned, I want stability on my office workstation when I have a business to run! It's just to bad that KDE 4.x had to turn out like it did. I was just getting to enjoy KDE 3.5 after a couple years with Gnome and XFCE. I won’t go on and on about how Debian is so great but side by side on the same system Debian Lenny with KDE mops the floor against Ubuntu 8.10 in regards to perfromance on my system. I have them dual booted and I’m sold. I’m getting Slackware-like performance out of this thing! Back to Debian for me. I was out after Potato but I’m back. Dated software and snotty freedom zealots be damned, I want stability on my office workstation when I have a business to run! It’s just to bad that KDE 4.x had to turn out like it did. I was just getting to enjoy KDE 3.5 after a couple years with Gnome and XFCE.

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